Is Herman Cain a Good Canidate for President?

Interesting video......would like to see Cain on a debate other than fox's teeball questions.

Greg

I'm keeping and eye on him too! So far so good.

He's an interesting sort, that' for sure.

"Doesn't everybody have a little bit of that, especially with everything that happened and is happening now? If someone tells you they don't, they aren't being honest with themselves."

Sorry Greg, I don't. and I am being honest with you and myself.

Having spent years with Muslims, learning about the people, traveling in their countries, and staying away from what others who also know very little except cherry picked and edited versions of the Qur'on tell me I must think of them as a group. I find myself discouraged at the herd mentality of many that lump all in a group of Bourka wearing women and Gown wearing men bent on blowing up the western world. It just isn't true, even if crazy pundits say so.

I find myself discouraged at the herd mentality of many that lump all in a group of Bourka wearing women and Gown wearing men bent on blowing up the western world.

You could blame the news media for that reaction, with all the news shots of retailiations, killings, Clerics claiming it's time for domination of the religion on the world, etc...

Hard to get that out of your head, when that's all you here.

Of course, they're all happening and it's hard to get that out of your mind, after what seems like daily occurrences.

How about news on the good side of Muslims (not the Islamic religious). Kinda hard to find much of that.

Cain has been cited as one of the primary opponents of the 1993/1994 health care plan of President Bill Clinton and First Lady Hillary Rodham Clinton:

The Clintons would later blame "Harry and Louise," the fictional couple in the ads aired by the insurance industry, for undermining health reform. But the real saboteurs are named Herman and John. Herman Cain is the president of Godfather's Pizza and president-elect of the National Restaurant Association. An articulate black entrepreneur, Cain transformed the debate when he challenged Clinton at a town meeting in Kansas City, Mo., last April. Cain asked the president what he was supposed to say to the workers he would have to lay off because of the cost of the "employer mandate." Clinton responded that there would be plenty of subsidies for small businessmen, but Cain persisted. "Quite honestly, your calculation is inaccurate," he told the president. "In the competitive marketplace it simply doesn't work that way."^[9]

Joshua Green of The Atlantic has called Cain's exchange with Clinton his "auspicious debut on the national political stage."^[10]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herman_Cain

Greg, You are absolutely correct.

But, what does it say about those people that listen to the media and do not bother to research? It's those I am concerned with most. They come away with generalisations and opinions from people seriously unqualified to discuss the culture and consider what they heard the truth.

And as much as I'd like to point a finger, it is not Just one network. One network is prominent in the propaganda, but they are not alone.

@ studiousbagus:

That's why I said, "It's time for a good story" for a change. Everything we see now, from all media sources, including the .net, is all about the bad. Research on finding the good parts, ain't easy. Muslim representatives of the good side, need to project more.

@ Goes:

OK!

I think any "New" government care, sucks. They should have cleaned up medicare and medicade, then put everybody that doesn't have Healthcare, on those programs. We already pay for those anyway. Now, we're gonna pay for another program. Typical Government, if they're having problems with one program, start another, but keep the wounded program alive too. They always go the easy route, don't they.

greg-709692

Yes they always go the easy way, unfortunately, and we are the ones who have to pay.

Well, Chucky, you're just plain wrong. Herman Cain is a good guy, period, and he's not afraid to take it to Obama, which is even better.

I would suggest you open your mind somewhat, and stop believing what the jerks at MSNBC want you to believe, and that is ALL conservatives are racist pigs.

I know some Liberals that are racist pigs, but that doesnt make them all bad (well, at least in that respect).

But having said all that, it WOULD be ripe to see what the pundits on the Left would say if Cain squared off against Obama.

No more race card, thats for sure!

You're right It Aint So, Cain is one of the good guys. And I would suggest that with the most recent attempt at a terrorist attack happening as we speak in CA, we might all want to get a little phobic about some issues.

These instances are popping up one after the other for a reason and part of that reason may be that the Taliban has announced they are seeking revenge for the death of Bin Laden.

Hermain Cain is gonna tell you what you wanna hear because he knows you guys are desparate for someone who isn't a politician, but the fact is tea partiers have no idea what they want and for the rest of America...we wouldnt hire a trucker with no kids as a babysitter simply because he has no experience as a babysitter.

we wouldnt hire a trucker with no kids as a babysitter simply because he has no experience as a babysitter.

But you would hire someone with no real job experience to be president - we already know that!

And who said I was a member of the Tea Party anyway? And what makes me desparate? Maybe I'm just a concerned American with Conservative leanings.

Lets say I didnt like Herman Cain as a candidate because of his positions. Then I'm sure I would be labled a racist as well.

You're making a lot of assumptions; makes you sound just like Chris Matthews or Butch Maddow.

"I think conservatives are desperate to find a black man, any black man to run against Obama, and I'm pretty sure it won't work."

They thought they had the guy in Michael Steele until it had been exposed just how much of a tool he was. And just how bad they screwed up, then they only let him speak when they wanted to bring a culture in to it. Now, since everyone knows the intention, he's an albatross and they can't wait to shove him back in the history closet.

" If we are to believe the Left, who claims we on the Right are all racist, how can we be desperate to find a black guy?"

You gotta be kidding me! They pulled Palin out of their butts to say "We have a woman candidate too" and they voted how many times until they beat it over people's heads that Steele was going to be the "We have Black people too" cardboard cutout. Both were just poor attempts of bad advertising, both have blown up in the right's face.

" who claims we on the Right are all racist"----Pretty broad brush stroke ya got there!

RudyRusso, you're right. Which one is it? Are all republicans, conservatives, and tea party members racist, or not? No wonder they voted for Obama, they were confused.

Michael Steele just coudnt hack it; I dont care WHAT color he was.

So EVERYBODY knows the real intention? I'm sure you can quantify that statement.

Another example might be the way Juan Williams, a liberal and a black man, was criticized. When the shoe's on the other foot for the liberals, the gloves come off.

Is Juan Williams a liberal because he says he is or becasue Foxnews needs a black man to agree mostly with whatever the host of any show he appears on? I have listened to Juan Williams spout his psuedo-liberal views that IMO are just rightwing views disguised (badly)

I don't know much except that he's a liberal and that I would catch him every so often on O'Reilly, trying to catch Miller Time. He was not a regular on FOX until NPR fired him. I understand it confuses people when liberals get treated like the racists and bigots they always claim conservatives are. And with NPR being the far left organization that it is, receiving taxpayer dollars, it's best that stops after all the racism Williams has faced his whole life.

Same with Geraldo, not sure what he claims he is politically, but some of his views are too far to the left.

He explains it here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDXCwd65R5o&feature=related

Sound any different than what Liberals say about Christians? What's good for the Goose is good for the gander.

Muslim who would try to convert any American, and then went on to state the purpose of Islam is to convert everyone or kill them, which is patently false.

Patently False, Really? Explain please. The "world" seems to have a different understanding of that comment.

You can't explain away bigotry.

If there was any bigotry trm!

Islamaphobia doesn't mean your a bigot. It's a human nature, "They have shown me a reason" to be islamaphobic.

Definition of Bigotry:

big·ot·ry

1. stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own.

I'd say it's more the actions than the actual believing that has caused the problem, wouldn't you trm?

Patently False, Really? Explain please. The "world" seems to have a different understanding of that comment.

The world doesnt have much of an understanding about anything. What they think they know about Islam and what Islam really is are two different things. I have lifelong friends who I have grown up with who are Muslim and none of them have ever tried to convert me nor have they ever tried to kill me. However, my Christian friends are the ones always trying to drag me to their church with them and "save my soul". Apparently the church I attend isnt Jesusy enough for them.

Sound any different than what Liberals say about Christians? What's good for the Goose is good for the gander.

When was the last time a liberal candidate said they were against appointing any Christian or Jew to the court or to their cabinent? I am against Christians who try to force their religion into politics, not against Christians being involved in politics. I keep my faith outside of my politics and others need to do the same.

And I watched your link. Hermain Cain is lying through his teeth. The judge in NJ NEVER used religious law in the place of US law. It was a case involving a restraining order that he denied to the wife, but it was overturned by another court. The notion that Sharia Law was pushed by Muslims and took over that course or that case is absurd.

"Patently False, Really? Explain please. The "world" seems to have a different understanding of that comment"

The world Greg? Don't think so.

And Muslims are forbidden to "convert" or even attempt to convert anyone to Islam. No matter what the propaganda says..... Islam MUST be chosen freely among individuals.

Another fallicy perpetuated by those that have no idea about Islam.

Yep, I remember that case in NJ, the judge was asked to consider the Sharia content applying to the order since the original situation arose from the Mosque and spilled to civil court.. They didn't take over anything. More lies perpetuated...

Islamaphobia doesn't mean your a bigot

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamophobia

Islamophobia is prejudice against, hatred or fear of Islam or Muslims

Yes, it does, without question.

And I watched your link. Hermain Cain is lying through his teeth. The judge in NJ NEVER used religious law in the place of US law. It was a case involving a restraining order that he denied to the wife, but it was overturned by another court.

You might want to read up on that one...yes, it was overturned by an appellate court, it's the fact that the ruling was issued at all that is disturbing. Religion should be no excuse for rape...period.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/5670250/new_jersey_family_judge_accepts_sharia.html?cat=17

Yeah, his pizza sucks....but I wanna hear him out. Maybe he is good for what ails us, maybe not, but I'll listen.

I am not worried about him being Islamaphobic, who cares? I am more concerned with electing a president who puts THIS country's interest First.

Ummmm, Muslims are a part of THIS COUNTRY. Nobody seems to care when its the other guy who is being thrown under the bus, but when its you then all of a sudden you are both shocked and appalled. If Herman Cain did not like Christians or Jews or white people or women or any other segment of the population he would be laughed right out of politics. But because Muslims are the "Hated Minority of the Moment" its en vogue to be Islamophobic.

Heels, that's not true, look at Clarence Thomas. Sure every liberal wants to claim that what happened to him had more to do with his right-leaning views and that ridiculous harassment complaint, but deep down it was because he was black. I watched a movie a while back where Laurence Fishburrne portrayed Thurgood Marshall. It was the telling of the story of his life, and even with all he had been through because of the color of his skin, he still did the SC proud. No one would blame him if he felt a tinge of prejudice against whites for all his life.

When a black man happens to be a republican, suddenly because his views are shared by many whites and blacks and all other colors, suddenly he's prejudice against Muslims. Juan Williams wasn't and Herman Cain isn't either. He speaks about the dangers of the radical parts of someone's religion, something that happens to Christians, Jews, and all religions.

This will be used against Cain, just as many on the left accused conservatives of using Obama's skin color. Same crap, different election.

There will always be something about someone that will be blown out of proportion to fit the needs of the political party, or religious veiws, or anything else.

Sure every liberal wants to claim that what happened to him had more to do with his right-leaning views and that ridiculous harassment complaint, but deep down it was because he was black

Herman Cain is not being attacked because of his race. He is being attacked because of his words. We are to judge a man on what he says and does, and what Herman Cain has said if unacceptable.

When a black man happens to be a republican, suddenly because his views are shared by many whites and blacks and all other colors, suddenly he's prejudice against Muslims.

What? Where are you getting that from. The words that came out of his (and Juan Williams') mouth are what got them into trouble. Nothing more. Their race had absolutely nothing to do with it.

He speaks about the dangers of the radical parts of someone's religion

By stating that he would not appoint a Muslim is not speaking about radical elements, it is speaking about everyone. He went on to say that as President he would not have time to "monitor" each and every Muslim appointee to ensure that they were not a threat to America. The man sees Muslim and thinks threat, and that all Muslims need to be checked up on regularly to ensure that they are not a terrorist. His misguided, uninformed views of Islam are out there for any and all to see.

If elected, Herman Cain would have to represent ALL people of this nation and treat them all fairly, not treat some as second-class citizens or as suspects.

The words that came out of his (and Juan Williams')

Are shared by many, many republicans, democrats, conservatives, and liberals alike, but how many times have white men on cable news programs siad things 10 times worse than what Juan Williams said. Williams was just brave enough to actually say it out loud.

If elected, Herman Cain would have to represent ALL people of this nation and treat them all fairly, not treat some as second-class citizens or as suspects.

If you truly believe this and it's not about race, then you might want to question Obama's language when he speaks about the law enforcement officials in Arizona, whom he see's as the enemy of illegal immigrants.

Some people didn't want Kagan appointed because she's big time anti-military (long history of it) and has made it known to the public.

LIberals are complaining about comments Cain made about Muslims in the SC, but didn't blink when Obama appointed an anit-military SC judge.

I think what Cain said reflects the PC garbage we're stuck with. Remember Ft. Hood?

but how many times have white men on cable news programs siad things 10 times worse than what Juan Williams said

Well, now Juan is on that network so he can spew as much islamophobic hate as he wants with all the rest of the RWNJ talking heads.

Remember Ft. Hood?

Yes....Remember OKC....so by utilizing Cain's and William's way of thinking we should apply the same thinking....I think not because one individual does not represent everyone (unless it fires up your base)

Are shared by many, many republicans, democrats, conservatives, and liberals alike, but how many times have white men on cable news programs siad things 10 times worse than what Juan Williams said. Williams was just brave enough to actually say it out loud.

And that makes it right, how? I dont care if someone is black, white, brown, purple, or any other color: comments like that are unacceptable. If the only way someone can gain popularity and votes is by throwing entire segments of the US population under the bus, then why should anyone support them?

Some people didn't want Kagan appointed because she's big time anti-military (long history of it) and has made it known to the public.

Please post links that show where Kagan is anti-military. From what I have read, she did not want the recruiters on campus because of the DADT policy, not just because they were the military. And I agree with her.

I think what Cain said reflects the PC garbage we're stuck with. Remember Ft. Hood?

What does Ft Hood have to do with appointing Muslims to the bench or to jobs in the administration? Is the plan now to keep all Muslims out of any and all public positions because we dont know who could go off and at what time?

Juan is on that network so he can spew as much islamophobic hate as he wants

now Juan is on that network so he can spew as much islamophobic hate

He was a guest at the time he said it.

He was also on NPR's payroll, at the time, until they canned the black guy for saying what the majority of us started thinking post-9.11. Anyone who flies and has had a pat-down is reminded of it as well, and thinking the same thing.

(unless it fires up your base)

Interestingly enough, the gunfire on that base killed US troops, know why, because they were not permitted to investigate whether he had any ties to terrorists, when he applied to serve.

If they wouldn't be able to look for any ties to terrorists if a Muslim was up for a seat on the SC, I understand Cain's statements.

If they wouldn't be able to look for any ties to terrorists if a Muslim was up for a seat on the SC, I understand Cain's statements.

So would you support Cain's statement if he said we should investigate everyone that looked like Tiimothy McVeigh or is it okay in some circumstances but not all?

And yet all liberals accepted this tirade from the resident wacko, Olbermann on MSNBC, until he got fired.

Now, remember that Colonel West is one of those Tea Party Republicans who won and pay close attention to the bolded words (mine):

"[The Tea Party-backed Republicans are] a group of unqualified, unstable individuals who will do what they are told, in exchange for money and power, and march this nation as far backward as they can get, backward to Jim Crow, or backward to the breadlines of the '30s, or backward to hanging union organizers, or backward to the trusts and the robber barons...It is nothing short of an attempted use of democracy to end this democracy, to buy America wholesale and pave over the freedoms and the care we take of one another, which have combined to keep us the envy of the world.... If you sit there tomorrow, and the rest of this week, and you let this cataclysm unfold, you have enabled this. It is one thing to be attacked by those who would destroy America from without. It is a worse thing to be attacked by those who would destroy America from within."

But then, about as many people watch Olbermann as voted on election night November 2010, because Colonel West, a Tea Party Republican, WON!

You're right WILD, as you can see they come back with the Timothy McVeigh thing, who deserved lethal injection, as did his accomplice. His accomplice got off easy.

They think those of us who understand how dangerous radical islam is, would want an American or white man to get away with these crimes, those who beheaded journalists because they are Jewish, or who blew up buildings or flew planes into them.

The Koran spells out ways for husbands to beat their wives. Now isn't that nice ?

Is, "to become unemployed" on the list, because good old Harry Reid believes that, too.

When Nevada was building homes like crazy on so much borrowed money what was Harry saying back then ?

Harry has had as many blunders as Biden, it's hard to keep track. The one I think was most memorable was the one about the war being lost. Way to stand behind the US troops, Reid. He should be put in a nursing home before Obama's health care kicks in. Who will wipe his butt?

I am quite sure Reid will have plenty of government subsidies coming his way down the road.

Yes, he will. The government will be sure they don't run out of money until the taxpayers pay for his retirement. The guy who worked all his life, paying into his? Oh, well, the government is closed, no money for you.